As a non believer I think what a waste of human energy all this Glasgow hatred

Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man -- living in the sky -- who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do.. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time! ..But He loves you..

okay so we are a non denominaional religion as some people like to call us .but we dont care so why dont you leave us alone to get to do our walks.. we dont interfere when your scum w\lk the queens highway

ahhh yet again the traffic jams, the ahh im not gonna bother going out in my own door step(duke st) because of the hassle..the threating atmosphere the drunken arguments ...the brutalty of the human spirit laid bare..

just another saturday eh...

get it right you idiot,for 1 its not publicyfunded,and you will find they pay for the police aswell,

Knuckle dragging meat heads. 99% of them don't even know Scottish history never mind Irish. These are the kind of folk who vote BNP. They are an embarassment to humanity...if they can be classed as human.
I walked through an orange walk in Stirling today, and I was grabbed by a big fat guy and was called all sorts. What's so bad about walking through?
These events are publicly funded, and policed - at the expense of the taxpayer.

I am leaving Scotland, I am ebarrassed to be part of a nation that allows such backward, draconian, bigoted and shameful actions to be carried out.

Scotland's shame? For Sure!

I'd just like to add my wee bit and say they are fuckin' uneducated ignorant brainless trampy fuckwits.

I'd doubt very much if there is an 'O' level among a parade.........and that includes the trampy shell-suit wearing union jack waving Rangers top wearing fat hun burds wi wan tooth (generally green in colour) pushing a buggy wi sum deformed mutant full a snotters bursting out.

Quite amusing if what they are celebrating wasn't so fucked up and sick but hey 'batter in'.

Where is a suicide bomber when you need wan on a Saturday in July?

Is that mad airport dude still alive? And does anyone have a contact number coz i've got just the gig for that mentalist.

orange bastards the lot ae them

woke up every april outside ma fukin hoose at 9am for near enuf a week

WANKERS.

the orange walk is like a cactus....
full ae pricks

MOAN THE IRISH

big jock knew big jock knew

Iain M Says:

"July 10th, 2007 at 9:02 am |
How about an Orange marathon….make them march/jog for 26 miles???"

no make them run

Aye but it is wur culchur and tradishun so it is.

Ive lived in and studied Ireland now for 15 years, (Derry) originally from Glasgow (arden) with orange family members and m8s etc. I cant stand loyalist Orange parades, I can however stand prods and cafliks, gay parades, anti war marches and republican marches. Growing up with the orange parades on ma doorstep and now seeing with my own eyes, from both sides in the country it all happened! has taught me that basically, loyalists h8 fenians and for hunners a years treated them like shite and they march (hunners a times in the year) to show they always will. They try covering it up with loyalty to the queen etc but that only masks the smell they should try fabreez! On the flip side the fenians mostly always march to show in one way or another that they have been treated badly by the powers that run the show i.e loyalists! by doing a very protestant thing in protesting! Just a few more points I have learned myself are. Fenians don’t march through loyalist areas, loyalists do march through fenian areas. Fenians only crack up at the places and times this happens and they really don’t care if they march in there own bits! Now its all over bar the kicking and screaming! The orange order is changing, dropping in numbers and actually becoming a culture of its own, still non inclusive but getting respect for respects sake, slowly like the soldiers shying away from blatantly oppressive methods in favour of peace, economic growth and aw that pish. What I mean is it dusny matter anymare but if you must march then do it in your own bit and don’t annoy anybody else when your doin it, if you don’t annoy anybody else youl end up no dayin it!

Oh aye! And keep it away from Scotland it gets confusing and aw fucked up there!

See to be honest though, king william did do us a huge favour back then. Admit it. Imagine living under catholic monarchy and the amount of little boys getting fiddled with. It doesnae bare thinkin aboot.

stivsky said;
They hate because theve been brought up to hate certain people.

Much too simplistic.
We'll agree to disagree on this one buddy, but to me segregation
and sectarian discrimination policies in schools can only assist sectarianism.

limmy, how about establishing a paypal account into which contributors to the blog can send money - once enough is in the kitty, we could take out a full page ad in the herald deriding this stain on the character of our city.

[quote comment="60934"]Just a couple of wee clear up points.

Orange is not a "white only" festival, lodges in Ghana and Togo to name but too, with high heid yins of Ghana attending festivities in Ulster this year.

.[/quote]

I never said it was. I said it was viewed by some far right groups as a white only festival. But then, they ain't the brightest, are they?

As for the old "it's catholic schools to blame for sectarianism" line. total kop-out. People hate certain people because they go to a different school? get real!!! They hate because they've been brought up to hate certain people.

I was up on Saturday and brought my girlfriend who has no axe to grind I sympathise with Unionists in Scotland and Ulster and genuinely like the bands she also thought they were very good but we were disturbed by some of the followers
But why lump everyone together we didnt come back down south wanting to kill anyone half of our friends are RCs Its like blaming all the Germans for WW2.Tell you what though the Grand Master of the Orange Order wouldnt scare me but if I was daft enough to listen this Pope would

A open can o' worms this subject eh Brian!? If there ever was a subject to get a response from the West Coast of Scotland it's this one...

I've family all over Scotland, both C & P and the ones that live on the East Coast / up North etc still don't get the fact that this happens over here, pure confused so they are. So why is it still going so strong in the West?

And for the point that was made about allowing Gay parades through Glasgow, well, that's something that's current, last 20 years or so people have become more accepting, so I'll allow it. Let em celebrate, 'cos in 30 years it probably won't happen anymore, people will say "oh, your Gay and want a parade? That's so 2000." That'll be old news and folk won't be interested. But still marching 300 years later, in a country where the event didn't happen? Pointless.

Think the English would be happy is we all popped down to (insert southern city of choice here) and celebrated the battle of Bannockburn? "Alright chaps, we're just here to have a march where we pure pummeled youz intae the ground", I don't think so.

Well, I don't have any beef with rangers or the OO at all - being a foreigner and glad to be here I accept this country as it is.. but having up to 3 marches going past my house in one single day certainly gets up my nose, Gladdy dearest!

Everyone die.

David - every reply you give only reiterates the problem you have with Rangers FC as opposed to the OO. You mention all these songs about their sectarianism (the debate is about the OO NOT rangers FC) being from coatbridge i've heard plenty of sectarian songs at republican marches "soon there'll be no protestants at all" for one. Who the fuck even mentioned Rangers and UEFA. why even bring it up "John Paul"? who is your beef with? the OO or rangers? or both? wonder why? your argument is paper thin and we can all see your true agenda. just say it - you're a bigot. you hate rangers and the Orange order. that wasn't so hard was it?

See what you've started Limmy?

fuck religion

people who believe in god are thick and scared. end of.

There may never have been any pro-Islamic extremist demonstrations in Glasgow city centre,however there have been a fair few pro-Bin Laden/September 11th demos in London so it's not like it is completely out the question.I just thought your thinking was a little too inviting to a great deal of unsavoury elements in our society.

I take your point on the hunger strike rememberance marches,I did mention that I was no fan of republican marches either and would be in favour of them being stopped as well,because,like orange walks,what good do they do? They just seem to be a counter action to the orange walk because as far as I'm aware there is no great history to "green" walks?

The premise of an Orange walk is to do nothing more than to antagonise Catholics as far as I'm concerned,it would be ridiculous to suggest otherwise,the mere fact that they sing songs like "We are the people" "up to our knees in fenian blood" "no surrender or you'll die,die,die" is testament enough to the sectarian element of them.
Why is it that the football body UEFA fined Rangers FC for their fans colourful songbook and threatened them with the closure of Ibrox yet a bunch of guys can don their "faux militaristic"(Kenny Park) outfits and batter the hell out of a drum and play the same songs on a flute in a busy city centre?? Then theres the police costing and the fact that it brings the sort of skanky maws with weans in bibs with loyalist slogans that you accurately described as a common feature

I'm sorry but I'd like to hear the argument to keep them...

Audi Says,
Flannigan says,
Oh dear, its the same old "Catholic schools" rant again.
Quote : "Segregated Catholic scools are devisive and do enable sectarianism"
That my friend is a rant from a Bishop Devine (SUNDAY HERALD) He followed
up with "Its a price we have to pay".
It is a common rant because you know, I know, bishops know and the guy the
road with his dug knows its where sectarianism begins.
Spare a thought when you see some unfortunate guy, of either persuasion, getting huckled for some minor sectarian verbal, then give a thought to those comfortable, pious hypocrites who, largely have created the scenario.

Just a couple of wee clear up points.

Orange is not a "white only" festival, lodges in Ghana and Togo to name but too, with high heid yins of Ghana attending festivities in Ulster this year.

Orangeism is based on the Battle of the Boyne, the main result of which was freedom for civil and religious liberties for ALL. It would have been very easy for William to ban other churches but instead this battle meant that everyone was free to have their say, perhaps old saying of "i may not like what he has to say but will defend to the death his right to say it".

Arrests at these parades - has anyone actually ever seen an orangeman arrested at these events?? Personally in 30 years of attendance at various size and countries parades I have never. Plenty hangers on but never and orangeman. He knows that he will be immediately expelled from the institution and therefore will behave. Are the hangers on the Orange Orders problem? In a way yes but at any event can you control everyone who is not under the auspices of the organisers?? Football fans will be arrested, footballers will not. Fans at t in the park will be arrested, bands will not. Get my drift?? Orange order do not want these hangers on who bring nothing but bad press to the institution, in the same way you will be banned from a football stadium for misbehaving. Unfortunately because parades are in the street, other than getting them to sign in at police stations, these people will always be there.

Another section of the loyal institutions is the "blacks". You must be an orangeman to join this part however their parades do not attract the same ned for some reason on the sidelines.

On the subject of the hangers on, many are low life scum who know no better and could not point out Ulster on a map of Ireland!! They also seem intent on dragging Rangers into it all when this event is absolutely non football related. If they are so intent on following the walk why not just join and take part? Probably because they purely hang on as an excuse to have a bevvy and f the pope for a day in public. IMHO you want to do that, stay and home and drink yourself into a coma!! Dont drag down people who want to celebrate their heritage in a civilised manner.

IMHO orange order now need to and are indeed beginning to move away from triumphalism and now celebrating. Why not celebrate your heritage? Do we stop glesgay parades as people celebrate their sexuallity?? No and rightly so! This country is a multi cultural, tolerant country. It is one of the great things about the UK.

We all have views on things which turn each others stomachs, true democracy and freedom is allowing others to have them and express them.

[quote comment="60829"]The video's here if anyone's interested: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KU73LRU7dtg[/quote]

Liked the video, Kenny Park. Ever since I moved out my parents' house and into my own flats in Paisley and Glasgow, I always had the marches going past my window. Now living in Ireland there's obviously no Orange walks - I've got builders directly under my window, and that's preferable.

I'm also tempted to make that boy's face my wallpaper.

Did a couple of videos about it on YouTube and have started getting threats. Further investigation into the Orange YouTube channels reveal perhaps the most hateful, ignorant bunch of people I've ever encountered (and it's not like YouTube is devoid of haters). Truly terrifying.

The video's here if anyone's interested: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KU73LRU7dtg

As for freedom of speech, I'm all for it, would fight to preserve it and all that. Thing is, a friend reported that Hamilton town centre virtually closed down on the offending Saturday for fear that the shops would be destroyed by the drunken louts. That's not free expression, that's just criminality, pure and simple and shouldn't be tolerated under the law.

"Thou Shalt Not Murder", not "Thou Shalt not Kill".

But you're right. It's fucking ludicrous.

[quote comment="60758"][quote comment="60685"][quote comment="60606"][quote comment="60540"]I would say they have as much right to march as any other organisation, seeing as we live in a democracy.[/quote]

I hope to fuck you are joking![/quote]

Not at all.

Ye cannae pick and choose what demonstrations/Marches/Celebrations/Any other public gathering to ban.

The OO parade holds up the buses the same as anti war, pro war, republican, hunger strikers commemoration, anti council tax, anti warrant sale, weans parades, political rallies and any other people that stoat through the town. Lets be honest and say using the hold up's as a stick to beat them with is to cover up a more in depth agenda.

While a more in lengthy debate is perhaps more belonging elswhere than Limmy's blog, I have absolutely no problem with ANYONE who wishes to March on our streets, regardless of wether I agree with their motives. I also have no problem with the Orange Order as an organisation.[/quote]

So by that then,say a group of radical muslims got together of an afternoon and went on a wee march up town in praise of the (albeit,botched) attack on Glasgow airport,you'd be alright with that? You would just walk on by goin "good on em,let them stand up for what they believe in?"

And while you don't have a problem with the OO,can you not understand why others do?[/quote]


A very fair point mate, and very well made.

I canae remember if theres been a pro-Islamic Extremist demonstration in Glasgow, but there was a march celebrating terrorists a few weeks ago that went from Blochairn down the High Street and through the city centre. Weans at the front of the parade were holding pictures of each hunger striker that died in the maze prison.

So while I never thought "Good on them" and it saddened me a wee bit to see weans being used as pawns in such a way, I accepted that it was a persons right to participate. Again, I dont have any problem with them.

As somebody said above, the downside to an Orange parade is skanky maws in Rangers strips with their weans in bibs with loyalist slogans following the bands. Its a horrible sight but I wouldnt ban any of them.

Everyone seems to be on a big downer on what I like to describe as "Glasgow's Glamtastic Orange Peace Parade"...allow me to come to the defense of this harmless day out for all the family with the following positive points....

Its a great rise and shine call for the bigots...gets them up early at least one day in any given year, no?

Notwithstanding their practice hate marches, it keeps them off the streets for most of the other 364 days, in their we lodges, pumpin each other and putting flutes up each others arses

etc.

as audi said earlier... separate schooling in this part of scotland does not help in this. why have 2 or more schools in a relatively small area ,all under populated, all greeting about being underfunded when you could pool the resources .If religion is so important to a family that it influences which school a child should attend then why not take religious education out of schools and replace this subject with MORAL studies and if a family choose to fill a childs head with intolerant bile then fine . the child though ,through proper education , may question their parents attitudes.(but not vocally though .. as a slap from an ignorant bigot cunt is usually sore as fuck )

[quote comment="60685"][quote comment="60606"][quote comment="60540"]I would say they have as much right to march as any other organisation, seeing as we live in a democracy.[/quote]

I hope to fuck you are joking![/quote]

Not at all.

Ye cannae pick and choose what demonstrations/Marches/Celebrations/Any other public gathering to ban.

The OO parade holds up the buses the same as anti war, pro war, republican, hunger strikers commemoration, anti council tax, anti warrant sale, weans parades, political rallies and any other people that stoat through the town. Lets be honest and say using the hold up's as a stick to beat them with is to cover up a more in depth agenda.

While a more in lengthy debate is perhaps more belonging elswhere than Limmy's blog, I have absolutely no problem with ANYONE who wishes to March on our streets, regardless of wether I agree with their motives. I also have no problem with the Orange Order as an organisation.[/quote]

So by that then,say a group of radical muslims got together of an afternoon and went on a wee march up town in praise of the (albeit,botched) attack on Glasgow airport,you'd be alright with that? You would just walk on by goin "good on em,let them stand up for what they believe in?"

And while you don't have a problem with the OO,can you not understand why others do?

[quote comment="60621"][quote comment="60605"]Depends, will you require a pre-nup?[/quote]

nope, just a defibrillator and some wet wipes...

[quote comment="60606"][quote comment="60540"]I would say they have as much right to march as any other organisation, seeing as we live in a democracy.[/quote]

I hope to fuck you are joking![/quote]

I don't think he is John Paul, I really don't think he is...[/quote]

Indeed, Im not.

Its a shame not everyone can be as tolerant, but there ye go.

You could say the downside of democracy is that people you hate/dont agree with being given a platform to express their views but I firmly believe that you either ban all forms of public protest/celebration or live and let live.

[quote comment="60606"][quote comment="60540"]I would say they have as much right to march as any other organisation, seeing as we live in a democracy.[/quote]

I hope to fuck you are joking![/quote]

Not at all.

Ye cannae pick and choose what demonstrations/Marches/Celebrations/Any other public gathering to ban.

The OO parade holds up the buses the same as anti war, pro war, republican, hunger strikers commemoration, anti council tax, anti warrant sale, weans parades, political rallies and any other people that stoat through the town. Lets be honest and say using the hold up's as a stick to beat them with is to cover up a more in depth agenda.

While a more in lengthy debate is perhaps more belonging elswhere than Limmy's blog, I have absolutely no problem with ANYONE who wishes to March on our streets, regardless of wether I agree with their motives. I also have no problem with the Orange Order as an organisation.

[quote comment="60492"][quote comment="60469"]Yvonne what's a 'proper proper orange guy....?'[/quote]

The guys wi the sash's that generally behave and just want to do their walk and have it done with. Scotsman yesterday:

Ian Wilson, grand master of the Orange Order in Scotland, said that disruption was almost always due to march "hangers-on".

Those guys.

[quote comment="60479"][quote comment="60444"] Don't get me wrong I can tolerate the proper proper orange guys obviously doin it for a purpose with the drums n flutes etc.....
[/quote]

Erm..."a purpose" would you care to elaborate on that?[/quote]

To celebrate winning the Battle of the Boyne.....and generally rub it in everyyins face.[/quote]

So pretty much the same as the hangers on then?

[quote comment="60632"][quote comment="60540"]I would say they have as much right to march as any other organisation, seeing as we live in a democracy.[/quote]


Ye should fling a police-style 'Stinger' out in front of them.
Like they do to stolen motors o Police! Action! Stop![/quote]

Most definitely with you on that one!

[quote comment="60495"][quote comment="60476"]Not care too much for loyalist or republican marches? Well then, the solution is so simple! You replace them with a daily march of children all walking to the same multi-denominational school. Will take a wee bit time though.[/quote]
Oh dear - it's the old "blame Catholic Schools" rant again...

Well I went to a Catholic School and I'm not a bigot.

Perhaps it's the non-denominational schools we need to get rid of.[/quote]

ah went tae a non denominational school, ah'm married tae a lapsed catholic an ah'm no a bigot either.
ergo: stalemate.

I do not agree with any religion in any school. Ye want tae dance and sing and dae the hokey cokey tae yer god ( wannae ma pals phrases ) dae it in yer churches/chapels/mosques - no' at school.

They're just all a big bunch of fannies!

[quote comment="60540"]I would say they have as much right to march as any other organisation, seeing as we live in a democracy.[/quote]

Pish.

I've got a wee boy of two and a half.
Every year on at least two or three occasions in the summer an orange walk crawls past our house at the back of SEVEN IN THE MORNING on its way to an even bigger offensive, intimidating spectacle somewhere else.
Then it comes back the same day and does it all again at about 8 PM when the wee man's back in his bed again.
We live in a tenement so these bastards must be only whit, 15 feet away fae where the wee man's trying to sleep?
It has ended up wi him greetin sometimes with the sheer racket of the drunken ugly multitudes shouting, drumming and scrapin their neanderthal knuckles behind them.
Big thick sandstone walls, double glazing and a wee winnie the pooh lamp thing that plays nursery rhymes are no match it seems for a buncha fuckin monkeys on a mission.
So, if this is a democracy, why doesn't the majority insist that these articles go and do their business away up the hills somewhere, or better still, Northern fuckin Ireland?
Cos cooncillors and MPs are still shitey-feart muppets that's why.
Ye should fling a police-style 'Stinger' out in front of them.
Like they do to stolen motors o Police! Action! Stop!

[quote comment="60605"]Depends, will you require a pre-nup?[/quote]

nope, just a defibrillator and some wet wipes...

[quote comment="60606"][quote comment="60540"]I would say they have as much right to march as any other organisation, seeing as we live in a democracy.[/quote]

I hope to fuck you are joking![/quote]

I don't think he is John Paul, I really don't think he is...

[quote comment="60516"]You bastard, I told you I had food poisoning and still you won't let it lie.[/quote]

Well, dear, I did tell you not to eat the sandwich you found under the couch, didn't I?

[quote comment="60540"]I would say they have as much right to march as any other organisation, seeing as we live in a democracy.[/quote]

I hope to fuck you are joking!

Depends, will you require a pre-nup?

[quote comment="60540"]I would say they have as much right to march as any other organisation, seeing as we live in a democracy.[/quote]

So, following your logic through, if it's their right to march then surely the people who have paid their road tax, have their car MOT'd & have a full driving licence have a right to drive wherever they like?

And the people who have paid their bus fares to get to where they need to be have a right to get there at the correct time?

These people have a right to march, yes. But let them march in a big field somewhere where they aren't disrupting everyone elses life.

Oh, and while they are in said field. Kill the lot of them.

[quote comment="60494"][quote comment="60466"][quote comment="60444"] And don't EVEN get me started on women with their wee weans in prams drippin in gold and teeth like a rack a teabags.

Bollocks to it.[/quote]

oh go on, you know you want to....[/quote]

Aye, I'd like to rip those mingin smoke/buckie/jizz covered teeth oot their heeds but I'm a shitbag - I'd get rippppeeeddddd as they say.[/quote]

"Aye, I'd like to rip those mingin smoke/buckie/jizz covered teeth oot their heeds !"

Yvonne will you marry me ?

Glasgow Airport June30th 2007=Religous Intolerance
Glasgow City Centre July 7th 2007=Religous Intolerance


Arseholes the lot of them they gie religion a bad name so they dae
Kill them aw..KILL THEM AWWWW!!!!

I would say they have as much right to march as any other organisation, seeing as we live in a democracy.

Fletch said

"The bit I saw was him trying to change a rule they have that says if you’re an orangeman, you can’t go to a catholic church for a funeral or wedding and if you do, you’re out of the order. Let’s think about that for a moment. Let’s say you belong to a lodge and one of your kids marries a catholic: you are not allowed to go to the wedding if it’s in a catholic church. What if your kid’s partner dies? You can’t go to the funeral? Get fucking real."

"What if your kid's partner dies....?"

That really is the crux of the issue eh....? The fucking million dollar question...?

It's things like this that continue to hold Glasgow and the west coast of our Country back. How these people get permission to start marching at 7am with their hangers on drinking buckfast beggars belief. You cannot sing certain songs at Ibrox or Parkhead yet if it's accompanied by a flute band (as a drummer I can't bring myself to call whatever they do drumming) it's hey, fancy marching through our city? pathetic

[quote comment="60425"]One of the shitest days of my life featured an Orange Walk. I was seeing this strange girl at the time and lived on John Knox St (the irony!) next to the Cathedral. We'd been boozing the night before, and for some reason I just woke up at about 0745 or thereabouts. Shortly after that the girl sat up in bed next to me and started spewing all over me, the bed and the carpet - I managed to get the quilt out the cover quite quickly, gied her a bucket, jumped in the shower to wash the idiot's vomit off my chest and hands, then left her to go and get some cleaning products from the Co-op on George St. I got to the bottom of the High St and saw the walk stretching all the way down, past the Buchannan St church. So I was walking against the flow, hungover, foul mood an aw that, getting looks off the Cro-Magnons wi union jacks over their shoulders, then got into the shop where they were just walking out with bottles of Bucky etc since there was only one lassie working: "I'm just gonnae take this hen, awright? Haha!" I bought the carpet cleaner, bleach, cloths etc, then back up to start cleaning. She didn't last much longer - she'd been a consistent nightmare in our short "relationship", but that incident was the straw that broke the camel's back, as far as I'm concerned. That must've been 3 years ago on Saturday. Whitey.[/quote]

You bastard, I told you I had food poisoning and still you won't let it lie.

you know what I dont understand ?

[quote comment="60465"]

If anyone is reading this from overseas and is at a loss,watch this...the wives' cheery little ditty on the bus is a standout

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbGY-lUcHRo[/quote]

"Roman Cath-olic-ism quite literally states, 'give me england and I have the world' now I would extend that, if the Roman Catholic faith becomes so strong that it becomes thee national church for that matter then we, are on the slidey scale, to hell."

hahahahahahahaha "...slidey scale..." belter.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the intellectual voice of the Orange Order.

[quote comment="60475"]The top orangeman in Scotland, the grandmaster or whatever the fuck he is, actually came across as quite a reasonable guy, very sensible and he was trying to drag them into the 21st century.[/quote]
I'm obviously not getting at you Fletch, but its hard to know exactly what he was trying to drag into the 21st Century. Bigotry? Narrowmindedness?

Jesus, the future's bright...

[quote comment="60476"]Not care too much for loyalist or republican marches? Well then, the solution is so simple! You replace them with a daily march of children all walking to the same multi-denominational school. Will take a wee bit time though.[/quote]
Oh dear - it's the old "blame Catholic Schools" rant again...

Well I went to a Catholic School and I'm not a bigot.

Perhaps it's the non-denominational schools we need to get rid of.

[quote comment="60462"][quote comment="60444"]beer guts hangin over their 1998 rangers joggies just shoutin along with the music... women with their wee weans in prams drippin in gold and teeth like a rack a teabags.[/quote]

Can you stop describing my Bebo photos to everyone?

Thanks.[/quote]

What, the beer gut guys - or the teabag teeth lassies? :D I believe you have both....the teabag teeth lassie photos being you as Rossallina.

[quote comment="60466"][quote comment="60444"] And don't EVEN get me started on women with their wee weans in prams drippin in gold and teeth like a rack a teabags.

Bollocks to it.[/quote]

oh go on, you know you want to....[/quote]

Aye, I'd like to rip those mingin smoke/buckie/jizz covered teeth oot their heeds but I'm a shitbag - I'd get rippppeeeddddd as they say.

[quote comment="60469"]Yvonne what's a 'proper proper orange guy....?'[/quote]

The guys wi the sash's that generally behave and just want to do their walk and have it done with. Scotsman yesterday:

Ian Wilson, grand master of the Orange Order in Scotland, said that disruption was almost always due to march "hangers-on".

Those guys.

[quote comment="60479"][quote comment="60444"] Don't get me wrong I can tolerate the proper proper orange guys obviously doin it for a purpose with the drums n flutes etc.....
[/quote]

Erm..."a purpose" would you care to elaborate on that?[/quote]

To celebrate winning the Battle of the Boyne.....and generally rub it in everyyins face.

[quote comment="60444"] Don't get me wrong I can tolerate the proper proper orange guys obviously doin it for a purpose with the drums n flutes etc.....
[/quote]

Erm..."a purpose" would you care to elaborate on that?

It's the fact that the cunts block off the city centre on a fucking saturday morning that annoys me more than their fucking beliefs. Being from up north (far, far up north) I nearly missed a train one Saturday because the Police wouldn't let me cross the road to get to Queen Street despite the fuckers still being fucking miles away. After a swift arguement and trotting a bit further down George Square to cross the cunts that were watching that gave me a hard time about it an' all. I couldn't give two fucks about them but missed train was going to equal missed plane that I'd coughed up the best bit of £200 for. Dicks.

If this sort of shit is still going to be allowed to happen they should at least have it on traffic announcements so that punters can plan their journeys accordingly.

Not care too much for loyalist or republican marches? Well then, the solution is so simple! You replace them with a daily march of children all walking to the same multi-denominational school. Will take a wee bit time though.

Did anyone see the thing on telly about the orange order recently? The top orangeman in Scotland, the grandmaster or whatever the fuck he is, actually came across as quite a reasonable guy, very sensible and he was trying to drag them into the 21st century.

The bit I saw was him trying to change a rule they have that says if you're an orangeman, you can't go to a catholic church for a funeral or wedding and if you do, you're out of the order. Let's think about that for a moment. Let's say you belong to a lodge and one of your kids marries a catholic: you are not allowed to go to the wedding if it's in a catholic church. What if your kid's partner dies? You can't go to the funeral? Get fucking real.

Like you said, Limmy. 2007 and this shite still goes on. I could go on about this all day but it's already making me angry.

A Meant tae say alota shite*

Drunk 50 year olds with flags round thier waste with no teeth stumbling and mumbling alot tae each other....

Eejits ...

Yvonne what's a 'proper proper orange guy....?'

[quote comment="60444"] And don't EVEN get me started on women with their wee weans in prams drippin in gold and teeth like a rack a teabags.

Bollocks to it.[/quote]

oh go on, you know you want to....

How this continues to go on in "modern" day Scotland is beyond me,and before anyone goes "oh you're just a bigot,whit aboot the feenyan marches" Well,no I don't agree with them either! See all the "adults" that take part in these moronic walks,why don't they just spend a Saturday with their family instead of banging a drum down a street and drinking loads of lager. I saw them the other week there and I looked out the window and saw them all psyching themselves up for their walk in Leith,they were all doin that stretch thing with your shoulders and bouncing up and down like a boxer about to start a match,sad bastards,sad,sad bastards.

If anyone is reading this from overseas and is at a loss,watch this...the wives' cheery little ditty on the bus is a standout

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbGY-lUcHRo

[quote comment="60444"]beer guts hangin over their 1998 rangers joggies just shoutin along with the music... women with their wee weans in prams drippin in gold and teeth like a rack a teabags.[/quote]

Can you stop describing my Bebo photos to everyone?

Thanks.

[quote comment="60428"]How about an Orange marathon....make them march/jog for 26 miles???[/quote]

What about an orange Snickers? It'd be like Fruit n Nut but with citrus. They should make that...

I hate all that bollocks.......cloggin up the city centre, making busses run hours late, making an arse of the city. Don't get me wrong I can tolerate the proper proper orange guys obviously doin it for a purpose with the drums n flutes etc.....but its these arsehole hingers on in their rangers shirts wi beer guts hangin over their 1998 rangers joggies just shoutin along with the music. And don't EVEN get me started on women with their wee weans in prams drippin in gold and teeth like a rack a teabags.

Bollocks to it.

Aye, the Arcade Fire did mention a 'lovely parade' they saw in the morning in Glasgow with lots of drums, flutes...

... and people wearing orange.

Which, for a band who I like think it are a cut above the rest, was slightly disappointing.

Honestly when they started describing the parade my jaw just about hit the ground - and i thought to myself - 'see if one cunt beside me starts to cheer, i'm going to lose it'

Thankfully noone cheered (not that i could hear), and in the few seconds it took me to realise what they where on about, I'd joined in on a fairly sizeable chorus of boos.

All was forgiven by the end of the next song anyway, cos the band were BRILLIANT!

[quote comment="60420"]I have fun trying to explain the marches to people over here. I use photos and video and everything but they still don't get it.[/quote]

where's 'over here' ?

[quote comment="60428"]How about an Orange marathon....make them march/jog for 26 miles???[/quote]

Fantastic idea!

It's Glasgow's version of "The Love Parade" that they have in Berlin. You can just feel the love and inclusiveness all over the city every year, Can't you? No neither can I. just pure hatred and anger at everycunt who's no wan 'a them. Most of society has moved on and evolved from this shit - most of these folk don't look as if they've evolved at all.
Some far right groups view the 12th of July as the only all white festival in the world and travel from all over to attend. Says' it fucking all really!

what next ?
In 300 years time will the yanks have big parades celebrating the slaughter of thousands of men, women and children in Vietnam ? Marching down streets with big posters of little kids with napalm burns

Or Cambodians having a 'killing fields' day where they all have to have the skulls of 're-educated' Cambodians hanging from a pole outside their houses ?

The celebration of war/death/slaughter is deplorable - end of !

How about an Orange marathon....make them march/jog for 26 miles???

[quote comment="60387"]I'd brought my burd up to Glasgow for the first time last week... As it got closer she asked what it was and I told her.[/quote]

I've had to explain to folk as well what it's about - it never stops being embarrassing having to tell them, does it?

In saying that, I wouldn't ban them - you wouldn't want these fuckers going underground. It's apparently dying out now anyway, so maybe within the next decade or so you'll have nothing but a handful of them disrupting the country.

One of the shitest days of my life featured an Orange Walk. I was seeing this strange girl at the time and lived on John Knox St (the irony!) next to the Cathedral. We'd been boozing the night before, and for some reason I just woke up at about 0745 or thereabouts. Shortly after that the girl sat up in bed next to me and started spewing all over me, the bed and the carpet - I managed to get the quilt out the cover quite quickly, gied her a bucket, jumped in the shower to wash the idiot's vomit off my chest and hands, then left her to go and get some cleaning products from the Co-op on George St. I got to the bottom of the High St and saw the walk stretching all the way down, past the Buchannan St church. So I was walking against the flow, hungover, foul mood an aw that, getting looks off the Cro-Magnons wi union jacks over their shoulders, then got into the shop where they were just walking out with bottles of Bucky etc since there was only one lassie working: "I'm just gonnae take this hen, awright? Haha!" I bought the carpet cleaner, bleach, cloths etc, then back up to start cleaning. She didn't last much longer - she'd been a consistent nightmare in our short "relationship", but that incident was the straw that broke the camel's back, as far as I'm concerned. That must've been 3 years ago on Saturday. Whitey.

I have fun trying to explain the marches to people over here. I use photos and video and everything but they still don't get it.

I know what you mean Limmy. I woke up about 2pm that day (late night reading Mark Twain) and I live across from Bellahouston Park where they had there little "band break" of drinkin cheap cider and pissing in whatever avaliable tenament close that was nearest (ma dad had to tell about 5 of them to get tae fuck). I'm all for them to enjoy whatever they wanna parade about, but does it have to involve about 1000 jakes that pull their kids out of bed early on the summer holidays and put on their unwashed Rangers top and sing about nothing they understand about while enjoying their only day out that year?? Fuckin nips ma bits.

[quote comment="60388"]I had a discussion with my girlfriend tonight about how Glasgow doesn't have a proper full 26.2 mile marathon anymore.[/quote]

And they say romance is dead....

[quote comment="60377"]It isn't as simple as 'Irish Protestants' killing 'Irish Catholics', chief.[/quote]

That's why I said "Or something like that", I read that article anaw, chief chief.

Know what I hate though? Know what I reeeeeeallly hate?

Aw the hingers oan.

If they orange lodey folk want tae march about banging a drum - let them.

Fuck them, ignore them, silently admire them, whatever it is yur intae, but tae get tanked up and march along side them wae English??? flags draped roon yae, chanting a lot of unrelated football type shite, while yur weans dragged along behind yae or pushed in a buggy, well that's just too far. Too fuckin far.

Oh come on Limmy, you have tae be nice, they were up early for that.

They actually woke me up about 8am. I'm no kidding. They marched back passed my house AGAIN at about the time all the police fucked off tae the airport.

What was that all about?
Twice in the one day?

Or did they march here, go inte toon, march again, come hame, march some more?? If so that's a long day and such dedication ough tae be admired no slagged ;)

I had a discussion with my girlfriend tonight about how Glasgow doesn't have a proper full 26.2 mile marathon anymore. The reason behind this, supposedly, is that it causes way too much disturbance in and around the city. But it's ok for thousands of drunken bigots to bring Glasgow to a complete standstill whilst singing about people who killed other people hundreds of years ago.....in another country? Now, am I right in thinking that Glasgow maybe needs a marathon more than it needs an Orange Walk?

I'd brought my burd up to Glasgow for the first time last week. I was absent mindedly looking at some new digital thingamajigmmy while she had heard the sound of music and started to follow it up the street. As it got closer she asked what it was and I told her. She didn't believe me and so wondered in, muttering how fucked up and strange it was. I pulled her back, not wanting a polite, southern English girl to bear the brunt of an answer to her 'Why the fuck is this happening here?' starter for ten. She was right though and we should keep asking the question. A few years ago, they actually started a new orange march in Dunoon. A new one. What the fuck is that all about?

Aye.. but it's hatred based tradition, and not 300 year old hatred... As with the various religious fechts around the world today, its a childish playground us'n'them mentality that drives this. To stop marching would be to admit defeat only at the same level as when you had an argument with your sister when you were a nipper and didna want her to have the last word. "thats the end o it" "aye, ok" "we'll leave it at that" "suits me" "ye've got to hae the last wurd" "sae hiv you." etc..

It isn't as simple as 'Irish Protestants' killing 'Irish Catholics', chief.

William of Orange's elite soldiers, many of whom were Dutch Catholics, marched under the Papal banner; all of Williams' troops were supported by the Vatican.

On the other Jacobite side, they were a mixed bunch too, with Protestants, Scots and English among them.

Just for the record, like. :)

I would agree with your point about the folk walking alongside, though. Drunken vermin, most of them, and wouldn't know the inside of a church from a bouncy castle.

Hear hear.

At T In The Park, the lead singer of Arcade Fire said he had been staying in Glasgow the other night and there was some strange parade, with some guys who "really knew what they were doing with a snare drum and a flute".

Then he said to the massed crowd at the Main Stage:

"Does anyone know what that was about?"

After some drunk stage divers gave him their nutshell version of the Orange Lodge, they went straight into the next song. Class.

I live near the Loudon pub in Duke St and the noise was fucking awful on Saturday. If only I had a sniper rifle...

I can't belive this utter nonsense is still tolerated - I was stuck behind one of these walks of shame all along Dumbarton Rd on Saturday - I should have just driven my car straight through them - no jury would convict.